Spiking on Facebook: Bayonets & whoppers
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
- Contributors weigh in on how the candidates did in the third presidential debate
- Aaron Miller: Obama bested Romney on foreign policy, but economy looms as larger issue
- Timothy Stanley: Debate a draw; Obama won on substance; Romney was presidential
- Donna Brazile: Obama looked presidential; Romney seemed out of his depth
Alex Castellanos
Alex Castellanos: Romney shrewdly channeled Clinton
President Obama has
squeezed a lot of juice from Bill Clinton. Last night, at the third and
final 2012 Presidential Debate, it was Mitt Romney who took a lesson
from the talented Arkansas politician.
At the Democratic
Convention, Barack Obama borrowed a boatload of political capital from
the still popular former-president. Clinton painted Obama as a centrist
and reformer who was moving the country forward. He graciously
overlooked Obama's record as a big-spender who had revived "the era of big government" that Clinton himself had ended. Last night, however, it was Romney who benefited from Clinton's experience.
I was once among the
Republicans who misspent two years trying to stop Bill Clinton from
winning re-election. We called Clinton a flip-flopping shape-shifter,
opportunistically triangulating towards the center. We expected voters
to be horrified that Clinton was "stealing Republican ideas." David Broder called Clinton "a master at such publicly justifiable thievery."
What Republicans faulted
as Clinton's inconstancy, however, voters saw as pragmatism. They prized
the politician who was responsive. They liked Clinton more when we
pointed out he wasn't an ideological extremist but a flexible leader
moving toward the middle.
Our attacks conveyed the
opposite of our intended message. We were unknowingly telling voters,
"You can trust Clinton to do what you want. He's not a radical He's
listening to you."
Last night, I heard
similar cries of frustration from the Obama camp. "Romney is agreeing
with Obama too much." "Romney almost endorsed Obama."
Good luck with that, my
Democratic friends. Now you are saying that the guy you've spent
millions labeling a zealot and clone of George Bush is too practical,
pragmatic and centrist?
Obama won the final
debate on points but Romney grew, too. He passed the Commander in Chief
test. We saw a credible replacement for this President.
The fundamentals remain
unchanged: This country believes it is on the wrong track. It wants a
new direction. Mitt Romney has become an acceptable alternative. Last
night his strategy was to make change safe. He did.
The Mitt Romney I know
is a severely conservative man whose principles are grounded in his
faith and his family. That core is surrounded by a practical, pragmatic
businessman who fixes things others can't.
Opinion: Romney endorses Obama's national security policies
John Avlon
John Avlon: Romney on the ropes
Obama won the third and
final debate with a strong and decisive performance that left Romney on
the ropes. But clear victories in the second and third debates won't
entirely undo the damage the president did himself in the first debate,
which reignited this race.
Romney's debate orders
seem to have been "do no harm" -- and so he tried hard not to offend,
embracing the Obama administration on issues ranging from the
Afghanistan surge and 2014 withdrawal date to the success of the Iran
sanctions despite months of dire saber-rattling rhetoric. At the same
time, Romney seemed careful to distance himself from the Bush
administration's unilateral approach, leaving neocons frustrated and
searching for specifics. This was Romney as a multilateral
internationalist, looking to the United Nations in search of peace and
distancing himself from pre-emptive action.
The problem, of course,
is that this version Romney is sharply at odds with the Romney we've
seen running for president over the past five years. He's hoping that
detail won't distract from his appeal. There is no logical connection
between the before and after policies except Romney's consistent
ambition and willingness to say whatever is necessary at any given
juncture to achieve the presidency. He seemed confused at times trying
to explain the contradictions.
Obama, on the other
hand, showed up feisty and ready to fight, turning his attention to
Romney and drawing quick and clear contrasts -- precisely the moves that
were missing in the first devastating debate.
Obama was almost hawkish
in comparison to Romney, who was busy trying to secure his
internationalist bona fides. Foreign policy has been an unexpected area
of success for the president, and he consistently showed his
assuredness, chiding Romney for a lack of consistency that he said would
send mixed signals to our allies and enemies alike.
Romney's repeated
agreement with Obama strategies when pressed for specifics only added
credibility to the claims. Specific solutions are not Mitt's metier --
especially when asked excellent questions by moderator Bob Schieffer,
such as how he intended to pay for his stated $2 trillion increase in
military spending (which would erase all the deficit reduction details
he has proposed).
Both candidates
constantly tried to veer off topic in an attempt to talk about the
economy and domestic policy whenever possible.
Obama's obviously
coached returns to a call for "nation-building at home" must poll
particularly well. But the absence of any defenders of the Bush doctrine
just four years after it ruled the world spoke to something like a
consensus -- those policies did not leave the country longing for a
return.
And Obama's record in
winding down two polarizing wars and ratcheting up the pressure on al
Qaeda with deadly surgical strikes that killed bin Laden and others has
proven both less costly and more effective. He made that case in clear,
compelling and unflinching terms in the third and final debate. At least
in terms of belated agreement from Romney, it is a policy debate Obama
seems to have won on substance.
John Avlon is a CNN
contributor and senior political columnist for Newsweek and The Daily
Beast. He is co-editor of the book "Deadline Artists: America's Greatest
Newspaper Columns." He is a regular contributor to "Erin Burnett
OutFront" and is a member of the OutFront Political Strike Team.
Aaron David Miller: Will Obama's greater command move needle?
The president slept
through the first debate, and Mitt Romney creamed him; Obama bested
Romney in the second; and in the third, the president demonstrated a
much greater command of the material and the stage.
But it's not entirely
clear it's going to matter. Forget the meat of foreign policy. Romney
did two things that will help his case. He offered the prospect of safe
change if he is elected and was presidential enough on foreign policy,
an issue that had played to the president's strength.
Aaron David Miller
Appearance: Unlike in
the first and even second debates, where Romney seemed confident and
forceful, he seemed ill at ease, indeed somewhat nervous and out of
sorts. The split screen is a killer, and the expression on the
governor's face was somewhere between queasy and retiring -- it didn't
suggest confidence and authority.
Obama by contrast was
comfortable, forceful and commanding, at times aggressive. Still, if
Romney was trying to soften his image and convince independents that he
wasn't going to conduct a martial foreign policy, his less aggressive,
retiring, lower-key manner may have helped
On the question of what
Romney would have done differently than the president: This was
potentially Romney's greatest source of strength and weakness. And it
turned out to be the latter. Instead of identifying real areas of
vulnerability, Romney failed to make the case that his policies on
Syria, Iran, even Israel would be substantially different. Still, if the
goal was to offer up moderate, centrist foreign policies to reassure
independents, he may have scored a few points.
In the end, foreign
policy doesn't matter: The chattering classes notwithstanding, this
election will be decided not by Libya or Iran but by which candidate is
perceived to be able to turn the economy around.
Obama won the debate hands down on substance, but it's not at all clear he won the politics. The next two weeks will tell.
Five things we learned from the final debate
Frida Ghitis
Frida Ghitis: Romney echoed Obama policies
Those who specialize in
measuring a debate's impact on voters will look for clues about who
gained the most from the latest debate. For those of us looking for the
foreign policy views of the candidates, the Boca Raton joust confirmed
what we suspected for many months. The similarities greatly outweigh the
differences. On foreign affairs, the election is not a Gore-Bush, or a
Bush-Kerry contest, in which American policies would have experienced
significantly different outcomes after the election.
The two candidates agree
on most of the major issues facing the country in the world's hot
spots. This reflects the fact that the choices are difficult, and they
will be for whoever is sworn in next January, and America's interests
and priorities will not change significantly after the election.
The major contrast is
not in the specifics but in the way the two portray each other and,
potentially, the way each would walk on the world stage. Romney says
Obama has made America appear weak. But once in office he will find the
same obstacles to American power.
Romney agreed with
Obama's decision to abandon former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. He
supported the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, and the candidates
fought each other over which one is more supportive of Israel. On Iraq,
Obama accused Romney of wanting to keep troops in Iraq, when, in fact, Obama also wanted to keep a residual force.
Obama got in some
hashtag-worthy zingers, most notably when he mocked Romney's contention
that the U.S. Navy has shrunk. The president shot back that "we also
have fewer horses and bayonets. ... We have these things called aircraft
carriers." Romney tried to get Obama on lack of "backbone," calling him
out on his comment, caught on an open mic, that he would "have more
flexibility" in dealing with Russia after the election.
It's no wonder the
debate seemed to veer away from foreign policy, back to the familiar
territory of economics, where the distinctions are sharp and the
potential for harvesting more votes is greater.
Opinion: Romney walked into 'bayonets' line
Shadi Hamid
Shadi Hamid: Discussion of Middle East would leave Arabs confused
This debate, if nothing
else, showed us that U.S. discourse on the Middle East has little
relation to how Arabs see their own region. I joked on
Twitter that if you had a split screen of randomly selected Arabs
watching, they'd probably be beyond confusion. To begin with, Romney's
foreign policy message crumbled under the weight of its own
contradictions.
In his October 8 speech on the Middle East, he echoed
the Bush "freedom agenda" in calling for a more proactive approach to
democracy promotion. But his first response on the Arab Spring suggested
an exclusively security-oriented approach, with a region reduced to
violence, terrorism and "tumult." He cited the free election of an
Islamist president in Egypt as an example of the "dramatic reversal in
the kind of hopes we had."
Republicans and
neoconservatives, to their credit, once prioritized democracy promotion.
But the fact that Islamist parties tend to win free elections has
rendered "neoconservatism" incoherent. It is simply impossible to
support democracy, on one hand, and oppose the rise of Islamists on the
other.
For his part, Obama was
steady and in command for the entirety of the discussion. Perhaps this
means he "won." However, no grand vision or fundamental rethinking of
priorities and assumptions was offered. Of course, that's not
necessarily what televised debates are for. But the almost unanimous
bipartisan support for drone attacks -- with no mention of the cost in
innocent lives or how they turn Arabs and Muslims against us -- is a
sign of a constrained and shortsighted foreign policy discourse.
The discussions on Iran
and Israel were predictable, with little of note being offered. There
was no real discussion of how to make progress on Arab-Israeli peace, a
long-term powder keg if there ever was one. Romney, meanwhile, attacked
Obama for "apologizing" to the Muslim world. Obama vehemently denied
this. In a different world, he would have said that there is, in
principle, nothing wrong with apologizing, particularly if you have something to apologize for. In a different world, an admission
of past failures -- and how to avoid them in the future -- would be a
sign not of weakness but of strength. But that, for now at least, is not
the world we live in.
Shadi Hamid
is director of research at the Brookings Doha Center and a fellow at
the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution.
Politics: Campaign enters final stretch
Will Cain
Will Cain: Romney lost the debate, but won the debates
Unwilling to disagree
from the left, unable to find meaningful disagreement to the right, Mitt
Romney chose to agree with President Barack Obama on Monday night. In
the process he lost the debate, but not the debates.
Eighty percent of the
available criticism of Obama's foreign policy existed to the left of the
president. Romney, though, was not going to question Obama over the due
process rights of American citizens targeted for assassination, such as
Anwar al-Awlaki. Romney was not going to call Libya an illegal war by
pointing out the lack of congressional approval for military
intervention.
Interestingly, though,
Romney did not try to fit himself into the 15-20 percent of available
space to the right of Obama either. He didn't question Obama about the
administration's explanations for the attacks in Benghazi. He didn't
criticize the numerous national security leaks from Stuxnet to kill
lists.
Instead, Romney chose to
position himself alongside Obama. He chose agreement. I'm sure this was
a calculated move. Romney traded aggressiveness for likeability.
Understanding that aggressively criticizing the commander-in-chief on
foreign policy can appear can appear unseemly, Romney chose to rest on
the points he scored in the first debate and bracket that performance
with likability in the final debate.
As a result, he lost Monday night. But he was the clear winner of the debate season.
We'll see if that translates into being the winner of the election season.
Will Cain is an analyst for The Blaze and a CNN contributor.
Timothy Stanley
Timothy Stanley: A debate draw, but Romney looked presidential
Nobody won Monday
night's contest on points. In fact, but for a couple of confrontations
over aircraft carriers and apology tours, it was rather a dull debate.
Both candidates felt well-to-over-prepared, and they actually agreed on a
great deal. Given that Obama has abandoned his anti-war stance of the
2008 primaries, and Romney seems desperate to dump the GOP's
neoconservative image, they met in the middle on drone strikes, when to
leave Afghanistan, whether or not to defend Israel in the event of a
war, etc.
It left this viewer
imagining what other, more philosophically colorful candidates would
have said in their place. Ron Paul vs. Obama would have been a real
debate, whereas Michele Bachmann might have laid out a foreign policy
manifesto based on the Book of Revelation. As for Newt Gingrich ... the
moon would be militarized by May 2013.
If on substance it was a
draw, on style it was a Romney victory. Foreign policy debates aren't
about specifics -- they're about appearing statesmanlike. Obama already
has that in his pocket because he's president. So Monday evening was
Romney's turn to appear cool, rational and likely to make the right
decisions. And he did.
News: Does the final debate even matter?
By contrast, the
president got a nasty case of the Bidens and smirked or twitched his way
through many of Romney's answers. Everyone will be talking about the
"horses and bayonets" moment in the morning because it was the most
interesting point of the debate. But it wasn't the win that the
president probably thought it was: Obama's slap-down came off on camera
as patronizing and inappropriate. By contrast, Romney kept calm and
looked like a president. In his closing statement, there was even a
ghost of Reagan about him. Round three to the Republican.
Timothy Stanley
is a historian at Oxford University and blogs for Britain's The Daily
Telegraph. He is the author of "The Crusader: The Life and Times of Pat
Buchanan."
Donna Brazile
Donna Brazile: With horses, bayonets and a record, Obama prevails
First, these debates need more women moderators, or men who learn from them. (Fact-checking should also be part of the resume.)
On all the substantive
issues -- the Middle East, al Qaeda, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan --
Romney either agreed with the president (only louder), thus flipping
from his "severely conservative" stage, or he repeated discredited
bromides and platitudes.
Romney was -- and looked
-- out of his element, sounding like he'd just crammed for a geography
exam. Obama sounded -- presidential. He has the record, the command of
foreign policy issues and a clear vision. And yes, the president got
Osama bin Laden.
Poll: Obama scores narrow victory
In sports, every game has one or two turning points. In this debate there were three.
When Romney claimed the
Navy had fewer ships than at any time since 1916, Obama shot back, "We
also have fewer horses and bayonets. ... The question is not a game of
Battleship where we're counting ships. It's -- it's what are our
capabilities."
"Horses and bayonets" may rival binders full of women on Twitter.
When Romney brought up
the trade imbalance and jobs being shipped overseas, Obama responded,
"Well, Gov. Romney's right, you are familiar with jobs being shipped
overseas because you invested in companies that were shipping jobs
overseas."
And when Romney brought
up the "dog-whistle" apology tour nonsense, saying the president skipped
Israel in his visit to the Middle East, Obama responded: "When I went
to Israel as a candidate, I didn't attend fund-raisers. I went to Yad
Vashem, the Holocaust museum there, to remind myself (of) the nature of
evil and why our bond with Israel will be unbreakable."
These weren't just zingers. These were the epigrams of the debate -- and the campaign.
Donna Brazile, a CNN
contributor and a Democratic strategist, is vice chairwoman for voter
registration and participation at the Democratic National Committee. She
is a nationally syndicated columnist, an adjunct professor at
Georgetown University and author of "Cooking With Grease." She was
manager for the Gore-Lieberman presidential campaign in 2000.
Politics: Analysis -- Obama didn't score knockout but landed more punches
Julian Zelizer
Julian Zelizer: Partisanship in small differences
The debate was a
challenge for both candidates as Romney and Obama had to highlight the
differences between their foreign policy agendas, even though the gaps
between them are not as great as their supporters suggest.
In many respects, both
candidates live under the shadow of President George W. Bush and have
embraced much of the broad outlines of his war on terrorism.
But, as the debate
demonstrated, we should not underestimate how intense the partisan
battles can be even when the actual policy differences are not grand.
In an odd reversal of
the politics of post-9/11, Romney spent much of his time trying to turn
the tables on the White House by saying that the United States can't
kill its way out of "this mess" and that it needs to work on turning
people away from Islamic extremism. He talked about investment, economic
development, education, gender equality and creating civil societies,
rather than about war.
In contrast, Obama
focused on having decimated al Qaeda and bringing two wars to an end.
More important, however, his goal was to make Romney look inexperienced
and incapable of handling this role, raising questions about his
competence by referring to statements such as the one he made over the
threat of Russia. He also hammered away at another theme, clarity versus
flip-flops, when he said, "You are all over the map," in hopes of
contrasting his vision with, what he says, is Romney's muddle.
But perhaps the most
revealing part of the night was how quickly both men turned away from
foreign policy altogether. Understanding that Americans are worried
about their pocketbooks, Romney and Obama took every opportunity
possible to turn the discussion back to domestic issues, ranging from
jobs to health care to education to the deficit. "Let me get back to
foreign policy," said moderator Bob Schieffer in frustration.
Opinion: Was Obama too relentless with Romney?
Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Ruben Navarrette Jr.: Obama schools Romney on foreign policy
Romney forgot the first
rule of presidential politics, and he paid dearly for it: "Don't try to
argue foreign policy with a commander in chief." Chances are, he gets
better briefings than you.
Especially when, up to
this point, your diplomatic experience, as governor of the Bay State, is
limited to having kept the peace between Massachusetts and New
Hampshire.
Score one for Obama, who
took his Republican challenger to school -- foreign policy school --
during Monday's debate, the last matchup of the 2012 election.
Romney was right that "attacking me is not an agenda," but it sure was effective.
It's been clear for
some time that Obama doesn't know that much about foreign affairs. But
the good news for Democrats is that, as little as Obama knows about the
world, Romney apparently knows less. He all but advertised that fact
when he abruptly steered the conversation back to where he feels
comfortable: the economy, jobs and the national debt.
Romney did a few things
right, including inserting Latin America into the conversation. It's
stunning that moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS -- who said he had come up
with the questions himself and touched on Syria, Iran, Russia, China,
Afghanistan, Pakistan and other corners of the globe -- couldn't come up
with a single question about what is going on in our own backyard.
But Romney blew it by deferring too much to Obama and essentially adopting the president's foreign policy as his own.
Meanwhile, Obama was
focused and on message. He kept drilling away at the charge that Romney
was "all over the map" with his foreign policy views, and that this
confused our allies and emboldened our enemies.
Being commander in
chief isn't a job you can prepare for. You learn on the job. Ask George
W. Bush, who grew into the role nicely after the September 11, 2001
attacks. Obama grew in office as well, and he used Monday's debate to
show us all how much.
The knockout punch came
with this devastating line, delivered by the president unto his
challenger: "I know that you haven't been in a position to execute
foreign policy, but every time you've offered a position, you've been
wrong. ..."
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.
World: Global reaction to final debate -- Disappointment
LZ Granderson
LZ Granderson: Obama punches connected; Romney showed the stress
I feel bad for Sen. Rob Portman.
There he was, Romney's
debate-prep sparring partner, being interviewed by CNN's John Acosta not
long after the debate, trying to convince himself as much as the
viewers that Romney had a good night.
Anyone who watched the
final debate could see that Romney -- who at times was sweating under
the pressure -- did not have a good night. By the time Obama said
"horses," "bayonets" and "Battleship" it was over.
Romney looked
inexperienced, naive and because he agreed so much with the president --
subservient to a degree. He looked like a challenger, not a president.
Obama did a very good job of reminding voters of Romney's flip-flopping,
the fact that he's been wrong on so many foreign policy issues as a
candidate and the manner in which he turned his back on the auto
industry.
That last part is
important because of the importance of Michigan and Ohio in the race to
270. If any two states understand the importance of the auto bailouts
and what Romney said about them, it's those two. Romney may be able to
whitewash the history that is being read by the 48 other states, but
those two remember.
Romney was born in
Detroit but he's not a son of Detroit. Sons come home and visit family
-- most of Romney's campaign stops in Michigan are in rich suburbs away
from Detroit. Sons take care of family -- not write op-eds suggesting
the city where they were born should be allowed to suffer. Sons do not
struggle to find support at home -- Romney is not only trailing in
Michigan, where he was born, but also in Massachusetts, where he was
governor.
And speaking of
Massachusetts, Obama reminded voters that the state was 48th in small
business development when Romney -- the great job creator -- was
governor. The president landed numerous factual jabs on Romney's jaw,
and the counterpunches we expected to be thrown by Romney --
specifically Benghazi, Libya -- were never thrown.
Why?
Who knows?
But what is known is
the president lost the first debate by a landslide and has won the last
two debates comfortably. The impact on the race to the White House is
still a mystery -- much like Romney's core beliefs.
Opinion: Obama-stare puts spell on Romney
Bob Greene
Bob Greene: Now, on to the bumpy finish
"The clock is ticking."
With 38 minutes remaining in Monday night's debate, Obama spoke those words.
His context was Iran.
But he might as well have been talking about those 38 minutes until,
finally, the debates of the 2012 presidential campaign would be over.
There have been 24 of
them, if you include the debates from the Republican primary (and 31, if
you count the forums that weren't technically counted as debates). "We
have come to the end," moderator Bob Schieffer said as he invited Obama
and Romney to give their closing statements. You could almost see the
relief in the candidates' eyes.
From now on, for the
two weeks until Election Day, they won't have to answer many questions,
certainly not in a formal setting. The two men won't even have to look
at each other. ("Good to see you. Good to see you again," they had said
at the beginning of Monday night's proceedings, as if they meant it.)
They, and their commercials, will be able to make whatever points their
campaigns feel will be most effective, without worrying about an instant
rebuttal or interruption from the guy a few feet away.
That split screen that
you saw -- Romney on one side, Obama on the other? These do not appear
to be men who desire to share a screen, or a stage, with anyone. At its
core, the next two weeks will be about each man trying to erase the line
in the middle of the screen and take the entirety of it for himself.
"That brings an end to
this year's debates," Schieffer said after the closing statements. The
unspoken message to the audience, and the nation:
"Ladies and gentlemen,
as we start our descent, please make sure your seat backs and tray
tables are in their full upright position. Make sure your seat belt is
securely fastened and all carry-on luggage is stowed underneath the seat
in front of you or in the overhead bins. ..."
It's going to get a little bumpy. This campaign, at long last, is coming in for a landing.
Bob Greene is a best-selling author whose 25 books include "Late Edition: A Love Story," "Duty: A Father, His Son, and the Man Who Won the War" and "Once Upon a Town: The Miracle of the North Platte Canteen."