Spiking on Facebook: Bayonets & whoppers
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
- Contributors weigh in on how the candidates did in the third presidential debate
- Aaron Miller: Obama bested Romney on foreign policy, but economy looms as larger issue
- Timothy Stanley: Debate a draw; Obama won on substance; Romney was presidential
- Donna Brazile: Obama looked presidential; Romney seemed out of his depth
Alex Castellanos
Alex Castellanos: Romney shrewdly channeled Clinton 
President Obama has 
squeezed a lot of juice from Bill Clinton. Last night, at the third and 
final 2012 Presidential Debate, it was Mitt Romney who took a lesson 
from the talented Arkansas politician.
At the Democratic 
Convention, Barack Obama borrowed a boatload of political capital from 
the still popular former-president. Clinton painted Obama as a centrist 
and reformer who was moving the country forward. He graciously 
overlooked Obama's record as a big-spender who had revived "the era of big government" that Clinton himself had ended. Last night, however, it was Romney who benefited from Clinton's experience.
I was once among the 
Republicans who misspent two years trying to stop Bill Clinton from 
winning re-election. We called Clinton a flip-flopping shape-shifter, 
opportunistically triangulating towards the center. We expected voters 
to be horrified that Clinton was "stealing Republican ideas." David Broder called Clinton "a master at such publicly justifiable thievery."
What Republicans faulted 
as Clinton's inconstancy, however, voters saw as pragmatism. They prized
 the politician who was responsive. They liked Clinton more when we 
pointed out he wasn't an ideological extremist but a flexible leader 
moving toward the middle.
Our attacks conveyed the 
opposite of our intended message. We were unknowingly telling voters, 
"You can trust Clinton to do what you want. He's not a radical He's 
listening to you."
Last night, I heard 
similar cries of frustration from the Obama camp. "Romney is agreeing 
with Obama too much." "Romney almost endorsed Obama."
Good luck with that, my 
Democratic friends. Now you are saying that the guy you've spent 
millions labeling a zealot and clone of George Bush is too practical, 
pragmatic and centrist?
Obama won the final 
debate on points but Romney grew, too. He passed the Commander in Chief 
test. We saw a credible replacement for this President.
The fundamentals remain 
unchanged: This country believes it is on the wrong track. It wants a 
new direction. Mitt Romney has become an acceptable alternative. Last 
night his strategy was to make change safe. He did.
The Mitt Romney I know 
is a severely conservative man whose principles are grounded in his 
faith and his family. That core is surrounded by a practical, pragmatic 
businessman who fixes things others can't.
Opinion: Romney endorses Obama's national security policies
John Avlon
John Avlon: Romney on the ropes
Obama won the third and 
final debate with a strong and decisive performance that left Romney on 
the ropes. But clear victories in the second and third debates won't 
entirely undo the damage the president did himself in the first debate, 
which reignited this race.
Romney's debate orders 
seem to have been "do no harm" -- and so he tried hard not to offend, 
embracing the Obama administration on issues ranging from the 
Afghanistan surge and 2014 withdrawal date to the success of the Iran 
sanctions despite months of dire saber-rattling rhetoric. At the same 
time, Romney seemed careful to distance himself from the Bush 
administration's unilateral approach, leaving neocons frustrated and 
searching for specifics. This was Romney as a multilateral 
internationalist, looking to the United Nations in search of peace and 
distancing himself from pre-emptive action.
The problem, of course, 
is that this version Romney is sharply at odds with the Romney we've 
seen running for president over the past five years. He's hoping that 
detail won't distract from his appeal. There is no logical connection 
between the before and after policies except Romney's consistent 
ambition and willingness to say whatever is necessary at any given 
juncture to achieve the presidency. He seemed confused at times trying 
to explain the contradictions.
Obama, on the other 
hand, showed up feisty and ready to fight, turning his attention to 
Romney and drawing quick and clear contrasts -- precisely the moves that
 were missing in the first devastating debate.
Obama was almost hawkish
 in comparison to Romney, who was busy trying to secure his 
internationalist bona fides. Foreign policy has been an unexpected area 
of success for the president, and he consistently showed his 
assuredness, chiding Romney for a lack of consistency that he said would
 send mixed signals to our allies and enemies alike.
Romney's repeated 
agreement with Obama strategies when pressed for specifics only added 
credibility to the claims. Specific solutions are not Mitt's metier -- 
especially when asked excellent questions by moderator Bob Schieffer, 
such as how he intended to pay for his stated $2 trillion increase in 
military spending (which would erase all the deficit reduction details 
he has proposed).
Both candidates 
constantly tried to veer off topic in an attempt to talk about the 
economy and domestic policy whenever possible.
Obama's obviously 
coached returns to a call for "nation-building at home" must poll 
particularly well. But the absence of any defenders of the Bush doctrine
 just four years after it ruled the world spoke to something like a 
consensus -- those policies did not leave the country longing for a 
return.
And Obama's record in 
winding down two polarizing wars and ratcheting up the pressure on al 
Qaeda with deadly surgical strikes that killed bin Laden and others has 
proven both less costly and more effective. He made that case in clear, 
compelling and unflinching terms in the third and final debate. At least
 in terms of belated agreement from Romney, it is a policy debate Obama 
seems to have won on substance.
John Avlon is a CNN 
contributor and senior political columnist for Newsweek and The Daily 
Beast. He is co-editor of the book "Deadline Artists: America's Greatest
 Newspaper Columns." He is a regular contributor to "Erin Burnett 
OutFront" and is a member of the OutFront Political Strike Team.
Aaron David Miller: Will Obama's greater command move needle?
The president slept 
through the first debate, and Mitt Romney creamed him; Obama bested 
Romney in the second; and in the third, the president demonstrated a 
much greater command of the material and the stage.
But it's not entirely 
clear it's going to matter. Forget the meat of foreign policy. Romney 
did two things that will help his case. He offered the prospect of safe 
change if he is elected and was presidential enough on foreign policy, 
an issue that had played to the president's strength.
Aaron David Miller
Appearance: Unlike in 
the first and even second debates, where Romney seemed confident and 
forceful, he seemed ill at ease, indeed somewhat nervous and out of 
sorts. The split screen is a killer, and the expression on the 
governor's face was somewhere between queasy and retiring -- it didn't 
suggest confidence and authority.
Obama by contrast was 
comfortable, forceful and commanding, at times aggressive. Still, if 
Romney was trying to soften his image and convince independents that he 
wasn't going to conduct a martial foreign policy, his less aggressive, 
retiring, lower-key manner may have helped
On the question of what 
Romney would have done differently than the president: This was 
potentially Romney's greatest source of strength and weakness. And it 
turned out to be the latter. Instead of identifying real areas of 
vulnerability, Romney failed to make the case that his policies on 
Syria, Iran, even Israel would be substantially different. Still, if the
 goal was to offer up moderate, centrist foreign policies to reassure 
independents, he may have scored a few points.
In the end, foreign 
policy doesn't matter: The chattering classes notwithstanding, this 
election will be decided not by Libya or Iran but by which candidate is 
perceived to be able to turn the economy around.
Obama won the debate hands down on substance, but it's not at all clear he won the politics. The next two weeks will tell.
Five things we learned from the final debate
Frida Ghitis
Frida Ghitis: Romney echoed Obama policies
Those who specialize in 
measuring a debate's impact on voters will look for clues about who 
gained the most from the latest debate. For those of us looking for the 
foreign policy views of the candidates, the Boca Raton joust confirmed 
what we suspected for many months. The similarities greatly outweigh the
 differences. On foreign affairs, the election is not a Gore-Bush, or a 
Bush-Kerry contest, in which American policies would have experienced 
significantly different outcomes after the election.
The two candidates agree
 on most of the major issues facing the country in the world's hot 
spots. This reflects the fact that the choices are difficult, and they 
will be for whoever is sworn in next January, and America's interests 
and priorities will not change significantly after the election.
The major contrast is 
not in the specifics but in the way the two portray each other and, 
potentially, the way each would walk on the world stage. Romney says 
Obama has made America appear weak. But once in office he will find the 
same obstacles to American power.
Romney agreed with 
Obama's decision to abandon former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. He 
supported the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, and the candidates 
fought each other over which one is more supportive of Israel. On Iraq, 
Obama accused Romney of wanting to keep troops in Iraq, when, in fact, Obama also wanted to keep a residual force.
Obama got in some 
hashtag-worthy zingers, most notably when he mocked Romney's contention 
that the U.S. Navy has shrunk. The president shot back that "we also 
have fewer horses and bayonets. ... We have these things called aircraft
 carriers." Romney tried to get Obama on lack of "backbone," calling him
 out on his comment, caught on an open mic, that he would "have more 
flexibility" in dealing with Russia after the election.
It's no wonder the 
debate seemed to veer away from foreign policy, back to the familiar 
territory of economics, where the distinctions are sharp and the 
potential for harvesting more votes is greater.
Opinion: Romney walked into 'bayonets' line
Shadi Hamid
Shadi Hamid: Discussion of Middle East would leave Arabs confused
This debate, if nothing 
else, showed us that U.S. discourse on the Middle East has little 
relation to how Arabs see their own region. I joked on
 Twitter that if you had a split screen of randomly selected Arabs 
watching, they'd probably be beyond confusion. To begin with, Romney's 
foreign policy message crumbled under the weight of its own 
contradictions.
In his October 8 speech on the Middle East, he echoed
 the Bush "freedom agenda" in calling for a more proactive approach to 
democracy promotion. But his first response on the Arab Spring suggested
 an exclusively security-oriented approach, with a region reduced to 
violence, terrorism and "tumult." He cited the free election of an 
Islamist president in Egypt as an example of the "dramatic reversal in 
the kind of hopes we had."
Republicans and 
neoconservatives, to their credit, once prioritized democracy promotion.
 But the fact that Islamist parties tend to win free elections has 
rendered "neoconservatism" incoherent. It is simply impossible to 
support democracy, on one hand, and oppose the rise of Islamists on the 
other.
For his part, Obama was 
steady and in command for the entirety of the discussion. Perhaps this 
means he "won." However, no grand vision or fundamental rethinking of 
priorities and assumptions was offered. Of course, that's not 
necessarily what televised debates are for. But the almost unanimous 
bipartisan support for drone attacks -- with no mention of the cost in 
innocent lives or how they turn Arabs and Muslims against us -- is a 
sign of a constrained and shortsighted foreign policy discourse.
The discussions on Iran 
and Israel were predictable, with little of note being offered. There 
was no real discussion of how to make progress on Arab-Israeli peace, a 
long-term powder keg if there ever was one. Romney, meanwhile, attacked 
Obama for "apologizing" to the Muslim world. Obama vehemently denied 
this. In a different world, he would have said that there is, in 
principle, nothing wrong with apologizing, particularly if you have something to apologize for. In a different world, an admission
 of past failures -- and how to avoid them in the future -- would be a 
sign not of weakness but of strength. But that, for now at least, is not
 the world we live in.
Shadi Hamid
 is director of research at the Brookings Doha Center and a fellow at 
the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution.
Politics: Campaign enters final stretch
Will Cain
Will Cain: Romney lost the debate, but won the debates
Unwilling to disagree 
from the left, unable to find meaningful disagreement to the right, Mitt
 Romney chose to agree with President Barack Obama on Monday night. In 
the process he lost the debate, but not the debates.
Eighty percent of the 
available criticism of Obama's foreign policy existed to the left of the
 president. Romney, though, was not going to question Obama over the due
 process rights of American citizens targeted for assassination, such as
 Anwar al-Awlaki. Romney was not going to call Libya an illegal war by 
pointing out the lack of congressional approval for military 
intervention.
Interestingly, though, 
Romney did not try to fit himself into the 15-20 percent of available 
space to the right of Obama either. He didn't question Obama about the 
administration's explanations for the attacks in Benghazi. He didn't 
criticize the numerous national security leaks from Stuxnet to kill 
lists.
Instead, Romney chose to
 position himself alongside Obama. He chose agreement. I'm sure this was
 a calculated move. Romney traded aggressiveness for likeability. 
Understanding that aggressively criticizing the commander-in-chief on 
foreign policy can appear can appear unseemly, Romney chose to rest on 
the points he scored in the first debate and bracket that performance 
with likability in the final debate.
As a result, he lost Monday night. But he was the clear winner of the debate season.
We'll see if that translates into being the winner of the election season.
Will Cain is an analyst for The Blaze and a CNN contributor.
Timothy Stanley
Timothy Stanley: A debate draw, but Romney looked presidential
Nobody won Monday 
night's contest on points. In fact, but for a couple of confrontations 
over aircraft carriers and apology tours, it was rather a dull debate. 
Both candidates felt well-to-over-prepared, and they actually agreed on a
 great deal. Given that Obama has abandoned his anti-war stance of the 
2008 primaries, and Romney seems desperate to dump the GOP's 
neoconservative image, they met in the middle on drone strikes, when to 
leave Afghanistan, whether or not to defend Israel in the event of a 
war, etc.
It left this viewer 
imagining what other, more philosophically colorful candidates would 
have said in their place. Ron Paul vs. Obama would have been a real 
debate, whereas Michele Bachmann might have laid out a foreign policy 
manifesto based on the Book of Revelation. As for Newt Gingrich ... the 
moon would be militarized by May 2013.
If on substance it was a
 draw, on style it was a Romney victory. Foreign policy debates aren't 
about specifics -- they're about appearing statesmanlike. Obama already 
has that in his pocket because he's president. So Monday evening was 
Romney's turn to appear cool, rational and likely to make the right 
decisions. And he did.
News: Does the final debate even matter?
By contrast, the 
president got a nasty case of the Bidens and smirked or twitched his way
 through many of Romney's answers. Everyone will be talking about the 
"horses and bayonets" moment in the morning because it was the most 
interesting point of the debate. But it wasn't the win that the 
president probably thought it was: Obama's slap-down came off on camera 
as patronizing and inappropriate. By contrast, Romney kept calm and 
looked like a president. In his closing statement, there was even a 
ghost of Reagan about him. Round three to the Republican.
Timothy Stanley
 is a historian at Oxford University and blogs for Britain's The Daily 
Telegraph. He is the author of "The Crusader: The Life and Times of Pat 
Buchanan."
Donna Brazile
Donna Brazile: With horses, bayonets and a record, Obama prevails
First, these debates need more women moderators, or men who learn from them. (Fact-checking should also be part of the resume.)
On all the substantive 
issues -- the Middle East, al Qaeda, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan -- 
Romney either agreed with the president (only louder), thus flipping 
from his "severely conservative" stage, or he repeated discredited 
bromides and platitudes.
Romney was -- and looked
 -- out of his element, sounding like he'd just crammed for a geography 
exam. Obama sounded -- presidential. He has the record, the command of 
foreign policy issues and a clear vision. And yes, the president got 
Osama bin Laden.
Poll: Obama scores narrow victory
In sports, every game has one or two turning points. In this debate there were three.
When Romney claimed the 
Navy had fewer ships than at any time since 1916, Obama shot back, "We 
also have fewer horses and bayonets. ... The question is not a game of 
Battleship where we're counting ships. It's -- it's what are our 
capabilities."
"Horses and bayonets" may rival binders full of women on Twitter.
When Romney brought up 
the trade imbalance and jobs being shipped overseas, Obama responded, 
"Well, Gov. Romney's right, you are familiar with jobs being shipped 
overseas because you invested in companies that were shipping jobs 
overseas."
And when Romney brought 
up the "dog-whistle" apology tour nonsense, saying the president skipped
 Israel in his visit to the Middle East, Obama responded: "When I went 
to Israel as a candidate, I didn't attend fund-raisers. I went to Yad 
Vashem, the Holocaust museum there, to remind myself (of) the nature of 
evil and why our bond with Israel will be unbreakable."
These weren't just zingers. These were the epigrams of the debate -- and the campaign.
Donna Brazile, a CNN 
contributor and a Democratic strategist, is vice chairwoman for voter 
registration and participation at the Democratic National Committee. She
 is a nationally syndicated columnist, an adjunct professor at 
Georgetown University and author of "Cooking With Grease." She was 
manager for the Gore-Lieberman presidential campaign in 2000.
Politics: Analysis -- Obama didn't score knockout but landed more punches
Julian Zelizer
Julian Zelizer: Partisanship in small differences
The debate was a 
challenge for both candidates as Romney and Obama had to highlight the 
differences between their foreign policy agendas, even though the gaps 
between them are not as great as their supporters suggest.
In many respects, both 
candidates live under the shadow of President George W. Bush and have 
embraced much of the broad outlines of his war on terrorism.
But, as the debate 
demonstrated, we should not underestimate how intense the partisan 
battles can be even when the actual policy differences are not grand.
In an odd reversal of 
the politics of post-9/11, Romney spent much of his time trying to turn 
the tables on the White House by saying that the United States can't 
kill its way out of "this mess" and that it needs to work on turning 
people away from Islamic extremism. He talked about investment, economic
 development, education, gender equality and creating civil societies, 
rather than about war.
In contrast, Obama 
focused on having decimated al Qaeda and bringing two wars to an end. 
More important, however, his goal was to make Romney look inexperienced 
and incapable of handling this role, raising questions about his 
competence by referring to statements such as the one he made over the 
threat of Russia. He also hammered away at another theme, clarity versus
 flip-flops, when he said, "You are all over the map," in hopes of 
contrasting his vision with, what he says, is Romney's muddle.
But perhaps the most 
revealing part of the night was how quickly both men turned away from 
foreign policy altogether. Understanding that Americans are worried 
about their pocketbooks, Romney and Obama took every opportunity 
possible to turn the discussion back to domestic issues, ranging from 
jobs to health care to education to the deficit. "Let me get back to 
foreign policy," said moderator Bob Schieffer in frustration.
Opinion: Was Obama too relentless with Romney?
Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Ruben Navarrette Jr.: Obama schools Romney on foreign policy
Romney forgot the first 
rule of presidential politics, and he paid dearly for it: "Don't try to 
argue foreign policy with a commander in chief." Chances are, he gets 
better briefings than you.
Especially when, up to 
this point, your diplomatic experience, as governor of the Bay State, is
 limited to having kept the peace between Massachusetts and New 
Hampshire.
Score one for Obama, who
 took his Republican challenger to school -- foreign policy school -- 
during Monday's debate, the last matchup of the 2012 election.
Romney was right that "attacking me is not an agenda," but it sure was effective.
It's been clear for 
some time that Obama doesn't know that much about foreign affairs. But 
the good news for Democrats is that, as little as Obama knows about the 
world, Romney apparently knows less. He all but advertised that fact 
when he abruptly steered the conversation back to where he feels 
comfortable: the economy, jobs and the national debt.
Romney did a few things
 right, including inserting Latin America into the conversation. It's 
stunning that moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS -- who said he had come up 
with the questions himself and touched on Syria, Iran, Russia, China, 
Afghanistan, Pakistan and other corners of the globe -- couldn't come up
 with a single question about what is going on in our own backyard.
But Romney blew it by deferring too much to Obama and essentially adopting the president's foreign policy as his own.
Meanwhile, Obama was 
focused and on message. He kept drilling away at the charge that Romney 
was "all over the map" with his foreign policy views, and that this 
confused our allies and emboldened our enemies.
Being commander in 
chief isn't a job you can prepare for. You learn on the job. Ask George 
W. Bush, who grew into the role nicely after the September 11, 2001 
attacks. Obama grew in office as well, and he used Monday's debate to 
show us all how much.
The knockout punch came
 with this devastating line, delivered by the president unto his 
challenger: "I know that you haven't been in a position to execute 
foreign policy, but every time you've offered a position, you've been 
wrong. ..."
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.
World: Global reaction to final debate -- Disappointment
LZ Granderson
LZ Granderson: Obama punches connected; Romney showed the stress
I feel bad for Sen. Rob Portman.
There he was, Romney's 
debate-prep sparring partner, being interviewed by CNN's John Acosta not
 long after the debate, trying to convince himself as much as the 
viewers that Romney had a good night.
Anyone who watched the 
final debate could see that Romney -- who at times was sweating under 
the pressure -- did not have a good night. By the time Obama said 
"horses," "bayonets" and "Battleship" it was over.
Romney looked 
inexperienced, naive and because he agreed so much with the president --
 subservient to a degree. He looked like a challenger, not a president. 
Obama did a very good job of reminding voters of Romney's flip-flopping,
 the fact that he's been wrong on so many foreign policy issues as a 
candidate and the manner in which he turned his back on the auto 
industry.
That last part is 
important because of the importance of Michigan and Ohio in the race to 
270. If any two states understand the importance of the auto bailouts 
and what Romney said about them, it's those two. Romney may be able to 
whitewash the history that is being read by the 48 other states, but 
those two remember.
Romney was born in 
Detroit but he's not a son of Detroit. Sons come home and visit family 
-- most of Romney's campaign stops in Michigan are in rich suburbs away 
from Detroit. Sons take care of family -- not write op-eds suggesting 
the city where they were born should be allowed to suffer. Sons do not 
struggle to find support at home -- Romney is not only trailing in 
Michigan, where he was born, but also in Massachusetts, where he was 
governor.
And speaking of 
Massachusetts, Obama reminded voters that the state was 48th in small 
business development when Romney -- the great job creator -- was 
governor. The president landed numerous factual jabs on Romney's jaw, 
and the counterpunches we expected to be thrown by Romney -- 
specifically Benghazi, Libya -- were never thrown.
Why?
Who knows?
But what is known is 
the president lost the first debate by a landslide and has won the last 
two debates comfortably. The impact on the race to the White House is 
still a mystery -- much like Romney's core beliefs.
Opinion: Obama-stare puts spell on Romney
Bob Greene
Bob Greene: Now, on to the bumpy finish
"The clock is ticking."
With 38 minutes remaining in Monday night's debate, Obama spoke those words.
His context was Iran. 
But he might as well have been talking about those 38 minutes until, 
finally, the debates of the 2012 presidential campaign would be over.
There have been 24 of 
them, if you include the debates from the Republican primary (and 31, if
 you count the forums that weren't technically counted as debates). "We 
have come to the end," moderator Bob Schieffer said as he invited Obama 
and Romney to give their closing statements. You could almost see the 
relief in the candidates' eyes.
From now on, for the 
two weeks until Election Day, they won't have to answer many questions, 
certainly not in a formal setting. The two men won't even have to look 
at each other. ("Good to see you. Good to see you again," they had said 
at the beginning of Monday night's proceedings, as if they meant it.) 
They, and their commercials, will be able to make whatever points their 
campaigns feel will be most effective, without worrying about an instant
 rebuttal or interruption from the guy a few feet away.
That split screen that 
you saw -- Romney on one side, Obama on the other? These do not appear 
to be men who desire to share a screen, or a stage, with anyone. At its 
core, the next two weeks will be about each man trying to erase the line
 in the middle of the screen and take the entirety of it for himself.
"That brings an end to 
this year's debates," Schieffer said after the closing statements. The 
unspoken message to the audience, and the nation:
"Ladies and gentlemen, 
as we start our descent, please make sure your seat backs and tray 
tables are in their full upright position. Make sure your seat belt is 
securely fastened and all carry-on luggage is stowed underneath the seat
 in front of you or in the overhead bins. ..."
It's going to get a little bumpy. This campaign, at long last, is coming in for a landing.
Bob Greene is a best-selling author whose 25 books include "Late Edition: A Love Story," "Duty: A Father, His Son, and the Man Who Won the War" and "Once Upon a Town: The Miracle of the North Platte Canteen."
 
 
 
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